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Question on performing filtering by gene expression on a normalized matrix in limma?

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mohammedtoufiq91 ▴ 10

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Hello,

I am working with NanoString transcriptomics targeted data panel (containing 800 gene panel), the raw counts data was normalized in the nSolver Data Analysis software. I have the normalized data, and would like to use limma for further analysis like filtering and statistical modelling. I would like to perform filter by expression on the normalized data matrix, it seems like in limma this type of filtering could be performed only on the raw data (counts). Is there a functionality that I can use this normalized matrix in limma to perform filtering by gene expression.

For instance, the below functionality I use in RNA-Seq analysis:


dge <- DGEList(counts=counts)
The next step is to remove rows that consistently have zero or very low counts. One can for example use
keep <- filterByExpr(dge, design)
dge <- dge[keep,,keep.lib.sizes=FALSE]
dge <- calcNormFactors(dge)

Thank you in advance.

Toufiq

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ADD COMMENT • link 2.2 years ago • updated 24 months ago mohammedtoufiq91 ▴ 10

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The answer is probably yes, but it depends on what "normalized data" you have from nSolver. Do you have log-counts-per-million? Or something else? What exactly has the data been normalized for?

ADD REPLY • link 2.2 years ago Gordon Smyth 51k

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Gordon Smyth thank you for the response.

The data matrix is a normalized matrix (without log transformation). My collaborator has shared the steps how the normalization was performed:

1. Background subtraction - geometric mean of negative control
2. Positive control normalization - geometric mean
3. Housekeeping genes normalization - geometric mean
4. All pairwise ratios to build the baseline for FC estimation

ADD REPLY • link 2.2 years ago mohammedtoufiq91 ▴ 10

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Hi Toufiq,

I am trying to do the same thing as you with some NanoString data: I have a normalised count matrix from nSolver, normalised using geNorm, and want to perform DEG analysis with limma.

I have looked at the attached resources but I am still a bit confused with how to do this. Did you work out how to use limma/voom with normalised data instead of raw?

Thanks,

Emily

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Emily

Hi, I used normalized data to log(norm.data, 2) > used in the limma package. Basically,

created a `design`
fit <- lmFit(y, design)
fit <- eBayes(fit)

ADD REPLY • link 24 months ago mohammedtoufiq91 ▴ 10

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Gordon Smyth 51k

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Given that are you are working with a panel of only 800 targeted genes, I doubt you would need to do any filtering at all. However I have no experience with nSolver output and I can't give any specific advice on it.

You might find the following references useful:

ADD COMMENT • link 2.2 years ago Gordon Smyth 51k

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Gordon Smyth indeed this are helpful resources. I will go through this.

But in general, I work with other larger expression datasets too. If I need to import only the normalized data or log normalized, which function of the limma performs filtering. Thank you.

ADD REPLY • link 2.2 years ago mohammedtoufiq91 ▴ 10

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There isn't any function for filtering, but the same principles would apply as for any other technologies. You would filter if you can identify genes that seem to be never expressed.