gcrma in affylmGUI
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Question from 'easily intimidated by command line' world : Is it possible to use gcrma in affylmGUI? I know there isn't a default- but I figure someone might have worked out when to export data sets (post image scratch analysis/etc) to gcrma and then import result back to limmaGUI for list generation/ venn digrams/ etc. Thanks, John Luckey
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On Mon, 24 May 2004, Luckey, John wrote: > Question from 'easily intimidated by command line' world : > > Is it possible to use gcrma in affylmGUI? I know there isn't a default- but I figure someone might have worked out when to export data sets (post image scratch analysis/etc) to gcrma and then import result back to limmaGUI for list generation/ venn digrams/ etc. Hi John, I'm the author of affylmGUI. I've never used gcrma, but I'll look into to implementing it in the GUI some time soon. In the mean time, if you are trying to do it by exporting/importing, and get stuck at one particular step, let me know what you have tried exactly (e.g. some R commands like read.table(...), write.table(...) ), and I may be able to help. Regards, James ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- James Wettenhall Tel: (+61 3) 9345 2629 Division of Genetics and Bioinformatics Fax: (+61 3) 9347 0852 The Walter & Eliza Hall Institute E-mail: wettenhall@wehi.edu.au of Medical Research, Mobile: (+61 / 0 ) 438 527 921 1G Royal Parade, Parkville, Vic 3050, Australia http://www.wehi.edu.au
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Hi John, > affylmGUI ROCKS!!! Thanks! It's great to get some positive feedback as well as the many inevitable bug reports! Hopefully, I will implement gcrma in affylmGUI within the next few days, but for now, here's a "hacker's method". After you've loaded your affy data into affylmGUI, click on the "Evaluate" menu and select "Evaluate R code". Then paste in the following commands: library(gcrma) NormalizedAffyData <- gcrma(RawAffyData) NormalizedAffyData.Available <- TRUE NormMethod <- "gcrma" tkdelete(.affylmGUIglobals$mainTree,"NormalizedAffyData.Status") tkinsert(.affylmGUIglobals$mainTree,"end", "NormalizedAffyData","NormalizedAffyData.Status", text="Available (gcrma)", font=.affylmGUIglobals$affylmGUIfontTree) Then from the "Run" menu, select "Show Text Results Only" [ These commands will be evaluated in the environment, "affylmGUIenvironment". ] IF YOU WANT A MUCH SHORTER VERSION, YOU CAN CHEAT AS FOLLOWS: Just normalize with RMA (even though you really want gcrma), then just paste in the first two lines of code from above: library(gcrma) NormalizedAffyData <- gcrma(RawAffyData) But then as a penalty for "cheating", affylmGUI will confuse you by referring to your normalized data as "RMA" data (in the tree/drill-down diagram) when in fact it is "GCRMA". You only need to type in "library(gcrma)" once per affylmGUI session (in fact once per R session) so you could even get away with just one line of code: NormalizedAffyData <- gcrma(RawAffyData) > Venn diagrams in affylmGUI- what is used as the cutoff for > significance in the Venn Diagrams, and can that cutoff be > manipulated/changed? The venn diagrams in affylmGUI use the classifyTestsF function from limma which uses a default p-value cutoff of 0.01. Unforunately, I have not yet implemented a way to adjust this from the GUI via a dialog box. I have put this on my "TO DO" list! Hopefully next week, you will be able to download a new version of affylmGUI from http://bioinf.wehi.edu.au/affylmGUI or http://www.bioconductor.org/repository/devel/package/html/affylmGUI.ht ml I could try to explain a "hacking" way to do this, but then that would just delay my implementation of the "nice way", so for now, I'll at least refer you to the affylmGUI hacker's guide: http://bioinf.wehi.edu.au/affylmGUI/Doc/extract.pdf See also the limmaGUI developer's guide (cDNA version): http://bioinf.wehi.edu.au/limmaGUI/Doc/lgDevel.html and the limmaGUI (cDNA version) hacker's guide: http://bioinf.wehi.edu.au/limmaGUI/Doc/extract.pdf The limma package is loaded automatically whenever you load affylmGUI. Once the limma package is loaded, you can view help on classifyTestsF from within R, by typing : ?classifyTestsF > Final ?- If an obvious defect/scratch is seen on a chip in > affylmGUI-what is your opinion on the most appropriate method > to dealing with it within R short of tossing out all the data? > This is the first time I've actually looked at my chips > visually, some of the defects are significant, but I don't > want to toss the baby out with the bathwater. This is not an easy question to answer in general. If you have a reasonable number of replicate chips, it may be OK to include at least one chip with a spatial artifact such as a scratch, because although the chip by itself may suggest incorrect gene expression levels/ratios for genes with probes in the scratch region, hopefully the replicate chips won't have the same spatial artifacts, so the linear modelling will in a way take care of this. Because of the inevitable inconsistency between chips, the linear model will effectively down-weight your t-statistics etc. to tell you that you shouldn't be too confident about your expression measurements for those genes in the scratch-area (i.e. the results may not be reproducible). But if the other (non-scratched) chips are reasonably consistent, it's still possible to see those genes high-up on your list. That's just one way of looking at spatial artifacts. There are many other ways of assessing and dealing with chip-quality issues and spatial variation and I'm really not the best person to ask about this, so I'd suggest posting to the Bioconductor list with a subject line, something like: "affy quality weights" and see what sort of response you get. It's very likely that someone will suggest a method which is not yet available within affylmGUI (unless you want to "hack"). I'm certainly interested in adding more array-quality weighting options into affylmGUI and I'd love to hear some suggestsions about this from the affy quality experts! Best regards, James ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- James Wettenhall Tel: (+61 3) 9345 2629 Division of Genetics and Bioinformatics Fax: (+61 3) 9347 0852 The Walter & Eliza Hall Institute E-mail: wettenhall@wehi.edu.au of Medical Research, Mobile: (+61 / 0 ) 438 527 921 1G Royal Parade, Parkville, Vic 3050, Australia http://www.wehi.edu.au
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