Hi list,
Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-values are calculated?
Thanks!
...Tao
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Hi Tao
The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing the
measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity + unmethylated
probe
intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control probes.
Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have very
good
detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there is
no
mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have good
p-value.).
BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing Illumina
Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
Have a nice day
Pan
On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request at stat.math.ethz.ch"
<bioconductor-request at="" stat.math.ethz.ch=""> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia at="" yahoo.com="">
> To: bioconductor <bioconductor at="" stat.math.ethz.ch="">
> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm at web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi list,
>
> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
> detection-p-values are calculated?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...Tao
Hi Pan,
Thank you! But do you have the exact formulas?
...Tao
________________________________
From: Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
Cc: bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 7:57:25 AM
Subject: Re: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
Hi Tao
The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing the
measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity + unmethylated
probe
intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control probes.
Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have very
good
detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there is
no
mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have good
p-value.).
BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing Illumina
Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
Have a nice day
Pan
On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch"
<bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> To: bioconductor <bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch>
> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi list,
>
> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
> detection-p-values are calculated?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...Tao
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I guess they assume the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes
are Gaussian, then it is easy to calculate the p-value by providing
the
measured Intensity of the CpG site.
But I have never tried. I would like to know the result if can verify
this.
Pan
On 8/25/10 9:59 AM, "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Pan,
>
> Thank you! But do you have the exact formulas?
>
> ...Tao
>
>
>
> From: Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
> To: shidaxia@yahoo.com
> Cc: bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch
> Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 7:57:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
>
> Hi Tao
>
> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing the
> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated probe
> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have very
good
> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there is
no
> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have good
> p-value.).
>
> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
>
> Have a nice day
>
>
> Pan
>
>
> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch"
> <bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
>
>> > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia@yahoo.com>
>> > To: bioconductor <bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch>
>> > Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
>> > Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain
>> >
>> > Hi list,
>> >
>> > Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
>> > detection-p-values are calculated?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > ...Tao
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Professor Du,
It is great that lumi packge will include functions of preprocessiong
methylation data.
What functions will be available? Are they in the development version
now? Many thanks!
Sincerely yours,
Weiliang
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pan Du <dupan at="" northwestern.edu="">
wrote:
> Hi Tao
>
> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing the
> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated probe
> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have very
good
> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there is
no
> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have good
> p-value.).
>
> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
>
> Have a nice day
>
>
> Pan
>
>
> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request at stat.math.ethz.ch"
> <bioconductor-request at="" stat.math.ethz.ch=""> wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia at="" yahoo.com="">
>> To: bioconductor <bioconductor at="" stat.math.ethz.ch="">
>> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
>> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm at web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
>> detection-p-values are calculated?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ...Tao
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
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http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor
>
Hi Weiliang
It will include functions in data transformation (Beta-value,
M-value),
color-bias adjustment, normalization and some QC plots. The functions
are
still under active testing. We will upload most of these functions by
the
end of Sept. More updates will be added in the next few months.
BTW, we use methylumi package to input the data.
Thanks for your interest!
Pan
On 8/25/10 11:27 AM, "weiliang Qiu" <weiliang.qiu at="" gmail.com=""> wrote:
> Dear Professor Du,
> It is great that lumi packge will include functions of
preprocessiong
> methylation data.
> What functions will be available? Are they in the development
version
> now? Many thanks!
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Weiliang
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pan Du <dupan at="" northwestern.edu="">
wrote:
>> Hi Tao
>>
>> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing the
>> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated probe
>> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
>> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have
very good
>> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there
is no
>> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have
good
>> p-value.).
>>
>> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
>> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
>>
>> Have a nice day
>>
>>
>> Pan
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request at stat.math.ethz.ch"
>> <bioconductor-request at="" stat.math.ethz.ch=""> wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia at="" yahoo.com="">
>>> To: bioconductor <bioconductor at="" stat.math.ethz.ch="">
>>> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
>>> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm at web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
>>> detection-p-values are calculated?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ...Tao
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bioconductor mailing list
>> Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch
>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
>> Search the archives:
>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor
>>
Dear Professor Du,
Thanks for the information! Looking forward to using these new
functions!
Sincerely yours,
Weiliang
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Pan Du <dupan at="" northwestern.edu="">
wrote:
> Hi Weiliang
>
> It will include functions in data transformation (Beta-value,
M-value),
> color-bias adjustment, normalization and some QC plots. The
functions are
> still under active testing. We will upload most of these functions
by the
> end of Sept. More updates will be added in the next few months.
>
> BTW, we use methylumi package to input the data.
>
> Thanks for your interest!
>
>
> Pan
>
>
> On 8/25/10 11:27 AM, "weiliang Qiu" <weiliang.qiu at="" gmail.com="">
wrote:
>
>> Dear Professor Du,
>> It is great that lumi packge will include functions of
preprocessiong
>> methylation data.
>> What functions will be available? Are they in the development
version
>> now? Many thanks!
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>>
>> Weiliang
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pan Du <dupan at="" northwestern.edu=""> wrote:
>>> Hi Tao
>>>
>>> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing the
>>> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated probe
>>> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
>>> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have
very good
>>> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there
is no
>>> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have
good
>>> p-value.).
>>>
>>> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
>>> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
>>>
>>> Have a nice day
>>>
>>>
>>> Pan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request at stat.math.ethz.ch"
>>> <bioconductor-request at="" stat.math.ethz.ch=""> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia at="" yahoo.com="">
>>>> To: bioconductor <bioconductor at="" stat.math.ethz.ch="">
>>>> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
>>>> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm at web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>>
>>>> Hi list,
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
>>>> detection-p-values are calculated?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> ...Tao
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bioconductor mailing list
>>> Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch
>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
>>> Search the archives:
>>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
How do you handle the NuID encoding for probes with multiple CpG
sites?
--t
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
wrote:
> Hi Weiliang
>
> It will include functions in data transformation (Beta-value,
M-value),
> color-bias adjustment, normalization and some QC plots. The
functions are
> still under active testing. We will upload most of these functions
by the
> end of Sept. More updates will be added in the next few months.
>
> BTW, we use methylumi package to input the data.
>
> Thanks for your interest!
>
>
> Pan
>
>
> On 8/25/10 11:27 AM, "weiliang Qiu" <weiliang.qiu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Professor Du,
> > It is great that lumi packge will include functions of
preprocessiong
> > methylation data.
> > What functions will be available? Are they in the development
version
> > now? Many thanks!
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> >
> > Weiliang
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
wrote:
> >> Hi Tao
> >>
> >> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing
> the
> >> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated
> probe
> >> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
> >> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have
very
> good
> >> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there
is no
> >> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have
good
> >> p-value.).
> >>
> >> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
> >> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
> >>
> >> Have a nice day
> >>
> >>
> >> Pan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch"
> >> <bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia@yahoo.com>
> >>> To: bioconductor <bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch>
> >>> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
> >>> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain
> >>>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
> >>> detection-p-values are calculated?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> ...Tao
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bioconductor mailing list
> >> Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch
> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
> >> Search the archives:
> >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor
> >>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bioconductor mailing list
> Bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch
> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor
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> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor
>
--
The aim of science is to seek the simplest explanations of complex
facts. We
are apt to fall into the error of thinking that the facts are simple
because
simplicity is the goal of our quest... Seek simplicity, and distrust
it.
Alfred North Whitehead, *The Concept of Nature* (1920)
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Hi Tim
Like expression microarrays, the methylation probe are also supposed
to be
uniquely mapped to one corresponding CpG site. But multiple CpG sites
might
be measured for the promoter region of each gene. If one probe is
mapped to
multiple sites, it is a bad probe design and should be filtered away.
As for NuID encoding of methylation probe sequences, so far we have
not done
that for Illumina methylation data yet. We just use Illumina ID as
identifier and use IlluminaHumanMethylation27k.db annotation package.
Pan
On 8/27/10 12:57 PM, "Tim Triche" <tim.triche@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you handle the NuID encoding for probes with multiple CpG
sites?
>
> --t
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
wrote:
>> Hi Weiliang
>>
>> It will include functions in data transformation (Beta-value,
M-value),
>> color-bias adjustment, normalization and some QC plots. The
functions are
>> still under active testing. We will upload most of these functions
by the
>> end of Sept. More updates will be added in the next few months.
>>
>> BTW, we use methylumi package to input the data.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest!
>>
>>
>> Pan
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/10 11:27 AM, "weiliang Qiu" <weiliang.qiu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Dear Professor Du,
>>> > It is great that lumi packge will include functions of
preprocessiong
>>> > methylation data.
>>> > What functions will be available? Are they in the development
version
>>> > now? Many thanks!
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely yours,
>>> >
>>> > Weiliang
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pan Du
<dupan@northwestern.edu> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Tao
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing
>>>> the
>>>> >> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated
>>>> probe
>>>> >> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
>>>> >> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites
have very
>>>> good
>>>> >> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and
there is no
>>>> >> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should
have good
>>>> >> p-value.).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
>>>> >> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Have a nice day
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Pan
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch"
>>>> >> <bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>> >>> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia@yahoo.com>
>>>>> >>> To: bioconductor <bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch>
>>>>> >>> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
>>>>> >>> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>>>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi list,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium
HumanMethylation27
>>>>> >>> detection-p-values are calculated?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thanks!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ...Tao
>>>> >>
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Of course -- the probes with multiple perfect matches to the genome
are not
very informative!
However, in some of the probes, multiple CpG sites are interrogated.
So I
was wondering whether you just aligned those and mapped them to NuIDs
corresponding to the remaining 47 or 48 bases in common. It will get
worse
on the 450k chips, after all.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
wrote:
> Hi Tim
>
> Like expression microarrays, the methylation probe are also supposed
to be
> uniquely mapped to one corresponding CpG site. But multiple CpG
sites might
> be measured for the promoter region of each gene. If one probe is
mapped to
> multiple sites, it is a bad probe design and should be filtered
away.
> As for NuID encoding of methylation probe sequences, so far we have
not
> done that for Illumina methylation data yet. We just use Illumina ID
as
> identifier and use IlluminaHumanMethylation27k.db annotation
package.
>
>
> Pan
>
>
>
>
> On 8/27/10 12:57 PM, "Tim Triche" <tim.triche@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How do you handle the NuID encoding for probes with multiple CpG
sites?
>
> --t
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
wrote:
>
> Hi Weiliang
>
> It will include functions in data transformation (Beta-value,
M-value),
> color-bias adjustment, normalization and some QC plots. The
functions are
> still under active testing. We will upload most of these functions
by the
> end of Sept. More updates will be added in the next few months.
>
> BTW, we use methylumi package to input the data.
>
> Thanks for your interest!
>
>
> Pan
>
>
> On 8/25/10 11:27 AM, "weiliang Qiu" <weiliang.qiu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Professor Du,
> > It is great that lumi packge will include functions of
preprocessiong
> > methylation data.
> > What functions will be available? Are they in the development
version
> > now? Many thanks!
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> >
> > Weiliang
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pan Du <dupan@northwestern.edu>
wrote:
> >> Hi Tao
> >>
> >> The detection-p-value of Illumina methylation is estimated by
comparing
> the
> >> measured CpG site Intensity (methylated probe intensity +
unmethylated
> probe
> >> intensity) with the Intensity distribution of negative control
probes.
> >> Because it is measuring the DNA, the majority of CpG sites have
very
> good
> >> detection p-values (as long as the probe design is good and there
is no
> >> mutations or SNPs in the probe detecting region, it should have
good
> >> p-value.).
> >>
> >> BTW, the lumi package will include functions of preprocessing
Illumina
> >> Infinium HumanMethylation27 in the coming release of Bioc.
> >>
> >> Have a nice day
> >>
> >>
> >> Pan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/25/10 5:00 AM, "bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch"
> >> <bioconductor-request@stat.math.ethz.ch> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> From: "Shi, Tao" <shidaxia@yahoo.com>
> >>> To: bioconductor <bioconductor@stat.math.ethz.ch>
> >>> Subject: [BioC] illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
detection-p-value
> >>> Message-ID: <191131.61751.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain
> >>>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody know how the Illumina Infinium HumanMethylation27
> >>> detection-p-values are calculated?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> ...Tao
> >>
>
>
--
The aim of science is to seek the simplest explanations of complex
facts. We
are apt to fall into the error of thinking that the facts are simple
because
simplicity is the goal of our quest... Seek simplicity, and distrust
it.
Alfred North Whitehead, *The Concept of Nature* (1920)
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