To close out this thread... I have solved my problem with Outlook not displaying threads by creating a Gmail account for all my R and BioC needs and am viewing that with Mozilla Thunderbird. Seems to be working nicely and I now have the benefit of viewing by threads like to many of you have been doing all along. I continue to use Outlook for my other needs. I thought I would share this in case other Outlook users search the archives and wonder how the problem was ever solved. Thanks again, Mark Kimpel IU School of Medicine Liaw, Andy wrote: > This is really off-topic for both BioC and R-help, so I'll > keep it short. > > > From: Kimpel, Mark William > >> See below for Bert Gunter's off list reply to me (which I do >> appreciate). I'm putting it back on the list because it seems >> there is still confusion regarding the difference between >> threading and sorting by subject. I thought the example I >> will give below will serve as instructional for other Outlook >> users who may be similarly confused as I was (am?). >> >> Per Bert's instructions, I just set up my inbox to sort by >> subject. I sent one email to myself with the subject "test1" >> and then replied to it without changing the subject. The >> reply correctly went to "test1" in the inbox sorter. I then >> changed the subject heading in the test1 reply to "test2" and >> sent it to myself. This time Outlook re-categorized it and >> put it in a separate compartment in the view called "test2". >> >> If Outlook can do threading the way the R mail server does, I >> don't think this is the way to do it. >> > > AFAIK there's no proper way to get the correct threading in > Outlook. What I do is group by conversation topic, but that > doesn't solve the problem. This is only problem on your > (and all Outlook users'?) end, though. The bigger problem > that affects the lists is that some versions of MS Exchange > Server do not include the "In-reply-to" header field that > many mailing lists rely on for proper threading. As a result, > when I reply to other people's post, it may show up in Outlook > as having been threaded properly (because the subject is fine), > but it throws everything else that does proper threading off. > > >> Unless someone has an idea of how to correctly set up Outlook >> to do threading in the manner that the R mail server does, >> > > Maybe some VBA coding can be done to get it right, but short > of that, I very much doubt it. > > >> I >> think the message for us Outlook users is to just create, >> from scratch, a new message when initiating a new subject. >> > > That message ought to be clear for everyone. You should > never reply to a message when you really mean to start > a new topic, regardless what you are using. > > Andy > > >> Thanks for all your help. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bert Gunter [mailto:gunter.berton at gene.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:03 PM >> To: Kimpel, Mark William >> Subject: Outlook does threading >> >> Mark: >> >> No need to bother the R list with this. Outlook does >> threading. Just sort on Subject in the viewer. >> >> Bert Gunter >> Genentech Nonclinical Statistics >> South San Francisco, CA 94404 >> 650-467-7374 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch >> [mailto:r-help-bounces at stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of >> Kimpel, Mark William >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:36 PM >> To: Peter Dalgaard >> Cc: r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch; bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch >> Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert >> >> Peter, >> >> Thanks you for your explanation, I had taken Mr. Connolly's >> message to me to imply that I was not changing the subject >> line. I use MS Outlook >> 2007 and, unless I am just not seeing it, Outlook does not >> normally display the "in reply to" header, I was under the >> mistaken impression that that was what the Subject line was >> for. See, for example, the header to your message to me >> below. Outlook will, however, sort messages by Subject, and >> that is what I thought was meant by threading. >> >> Well, I learned something today and apologize for any >> inconvenience my posts may have caused. >> >> BTW, I use Outlook because it is supported by my university >> server and will synch my appointments and contacts with my >> PDA, which runs Windows CE. If anyone has a suggestion for me >> of a better email program that will provide proper threading >> AND work with a MS email server and synch with Windows CE, >> I'd love to hear it. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Mark >> >> Mark W. Kimpel MD >> >> >> >> (317) 490-5129 Work, & Mobile >> >> >> >> (317) 663-0513 Home (no voice mail please) >> >> 1-(317)-536-2730 FAX >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Dalgaard [mailto:p.dalgaard at biostat.ku.dk] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:25 PM >> To: Kimpel, Mark William >> Cc: bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch; r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch >> Subject: Re: [R] possible spam alert >> >> Kimpel, Mark William wrote: >> >>> The last two times I have originated message threads on R or >>> Bioconductor I have received the message included below >>> >> from someone >> >>> named Patrick Connolly. Both times I was the originator of >>> >> the message >> >>> thread and used what I thought was a unique subject line that >>> >> explained >> >>> as best I could what my question was. Patrick seems to be implying >>> >> that >> >>> I am abusing the R and BioC help newsgroups in this fashion. >>> >>> When I emailed him to give me a specific example, he did not reply. >>> >> The >> >>> most recent thread that he seems concerned about was to the >>> >> R list and >> >>> was entitled "regexpr and parsing question" . I believe the >>> >> previous >> >>> post of mine that he had problems with was to the BioC list but I >>> >> can't >> >>> remember its subject. >>> >>> Is this spam? >>> >>> >> No. Breach of netiquette, yes. >> >> The message in question starts a new thread, yet contains an >> In-Reply-To: header line, which presumably means that you >> started writing the message as a reply to something >> completely unrelated, >> specifically: "Re: [R] change plotting symbol for groups in >> trellis graph". You should not do that, unless you know how >> to remove the In-Reply-To line (and this is not obvious in >> many mail clients); changing the subject is not sufficient. >> >>> If I am doing this correctly, you should see the subject "possible >>> >> spam >> >>> alert" in the subject header of THIS message. >>> >>> Would the moderators of the lists please check and see if I >>> >> am doing >> >>> some wrong and, if not, inform Mr. Connolly that I am not. >>> >> If others >> >>> have received this message in error, it is possible it is spam and >>> >> users >> >>> should be alerted. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Mark W. Kimpel MD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Official Business Address: >>> >>> >>> >>> Department of Psychiatry >>> >>> Indiana University School of Medicine >>> >>> PR M116 >>> >>> Institute of Psychiatric Research >>> >>> 791 Union Drive >>> >>> Indianapolis, IN 46202 >>> >>> >>> This is a request to anyone who starts a new subject to begin with a >>> >> new >> >>> message and NOT reply to an existing one. If your mail >>> >> client is any >> >>> good, it's very simple to set up an alias (mine is simply >>> >> 'r') so that >> >>> the tedious task of typing 'r-help at stat.math.ethz.ch' is unnecessary >>> >> and >> >>> it's quicker than scrolling through an address book. >>> It's also quicker than deleting the previous subject. >>> >>> Most mornings, I have over a screenful of messages mostly >>> >> from R-help >> >>> and it's very useful to have them threaded. However, the usefulness >>> >> of >> >>> threading is lost when posters reply to a message and then >>> >> change the >> >>> subject instead of creating a new message. >>> >>> People who don't have a mail client that can display email >>> >> in threads >> >>> are probably unaware that this sort of thing can happen in ones that >>> >> do: >> >>> 37 N 25 Jan Luis Silva ( 34) [R] plot/screen >>> 38 N 25 Jan Uwe Ligges ( 55) `-> >>> 39 N 25 Jan Fernando Henrique Ferra ( 20) [R] >>> >> Plotting coloured >> >>> histograms >>> -> 40 N 26 Jan Mohamed A. Kerasha ( 12) |->[R] >>> >> Distributions. >> >>> 41 N 26 Jan ripley at stats.ox.ac.uk ( 26) | |-> >>> 42 26 Jan Qin Xin ( 9) | `->[R] how could I >>> >> add >> >>> legends >>> 43 27 Jan Ko-Kang Kevin Wang ( 31) | `-> >>> 44 N 26 Jan Remigijus Lapinskas ( 32) |->Re: [R] Plotting >>> coloured his >>> 45 N 26 Jan Damon Wischik (125) `-> >>> 46 N 25 Jan Rex_Bryan at urscorp.com ( 10) [R] plotting >>> >> primatives, >> >>> ellipse >>> 47 N 25 Jan Uwe Ligges ( 19) `-> >>> >>> >>> As Martin Maechler explained some time ago, it also screws up the >>> archives for a similar reason. >>> >>> Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> best >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help at stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bioconductor mailing list >> Bioconductor at stat.math.ethz.ch >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/bioconductor >> Search the archives: >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.biology.informatics.conductor >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachment...{{dropped}}